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Inconsistencies in fotopedia articles (advanced)

Bertrand Guiheneuf
posted this on May 10, 2011 16:29

Fotopedia relies strongly on Wikipedia to organize its albums. Wikipedia and fotopedia are living objects and even if their consistency is improving continuously, you may have noticed some discrepancies in the data such as:

  • articles appearing empty in fotopedia
  • two articles sharing the same pictures, making it difficult to avoid irrelevant flagging from one side or the other

We do our best to fix as efficiently as possible any inconsistency in data we import from wikipedia as well as in fotopedia data. But sometimes it gets tricky, and we fall on issues that involves more than one wikipedia language.

You may have noticed that we are getting closer to make fotopedia speaks several languages. http://fr.fotopedia.com has been discreetly opened a few months ago, allowing to browse the french fotopedia, based on the text from the french wikipedia and sharing the pictures of the english fotopedia. It is not fully translated yet, the user interface is still in english, the search engine is not yet plugged in, but we are working on all this. Several other languages are being integrated too.

But that comes to a price. As we try to share pictures between all these wikis, we need the wikipedia “interwiki” links to be as accurate as possible. These links are visible on the left column in the wikipedia pages and point to articles in other languages dealing with the same subject.
Sometimes these links are not as accurate as we would like them to be, and even sometimes completely wrong. In such cases, it is very difficult for us to automatically make sense of them, and we cowardly ignore these articles instead of taking the risk to moving pictures around to the wrong fotopedia articles.

A current instance of the problem, to illustrate this: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plakette is linked to http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badge, linking to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badge, and then to http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badge. Back to German, but in another article. As a consequence, the whole sets of articles around can not be fixed, such as a conflict between “Badge” and “Access badge” in english — as of today, both share the same set of pictures, which is not what we want.

As of today, we are impacted by a few hundreds of instances of these links being half-wrong or just wrong. We think the way to go is to go and fix the links directly in wikipedia whenever it is possible. Fotopedia can then catch-up at the next wikipedia import — we import wikipedia data every time wikipedia export it, that is, every month or so.

We are thinking hard about how to deal with that. We will need some help, as this task requires to actually understand what the articles are speaking about, and we do not have in-house knowledge of all the languages that may have to be dealt with. Even if we will try to provide as much hints as what links have to be fixed, in the end, a human brain will have to decide.
Our moderation team is aware of these issues and will try to deal as smoothly as possible with the possible conflicts.

 

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Sergio Veludo

Despite these minor inconveniences, I would say that you all are doing an excellent jobDon't give up.

Sergio Veludo

May 10, 2011 17:05
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Brigitte Djajasasmita

It's good to know that the multi-language project is slowly becoming a reality. In fact I noticed this yesterday when I happened to come across a jp.fotopedia.com link in Google. I understand the concerns that you have regarding the incorrect links as you describe above and hope that you will manage to sort these out.

I do have an additional question regarding articles that exist in various languages but do not have an English version. Will these be supported by Fotopedia in the future? For example, will I be able to create a Plainpalais page (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plainpalais) ?

Brigitte

P.S. I haven't been around a lot these last few months, but it's good to see that the Fotopedia team is still working hard to make this one of the best photo sites on the Web. Keep up the great work!  :o)

May 29, 2011 20:59
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Moderator / Raphie
The Fotopedia forum
Hello Brigitte,

 

Thanks for your kind words :)
This will be actually the case, you will be able to create articles that exist in various languages but not have an english version.
I hope to see you soon on Fotopedia, we expect your new photos impatiently !

 

Have a nice day
May 30, 2011 10:59
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Dan Marsh

It's possible to get a wikipedia page up, quite quickly, if you create it as a stub only.

So, here I've made the English stub for Plainpalais.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plainpalais

June 02, 2011 03:47
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Brigitte Djajasasmita

Thanks Dan!

I actually do know how to set up articles in Wikipedia, but this was not the point of my question as I have no intent of writing dozens of pages in English just to be able to post photos to Fotopedia (and having just stub pages seems pretty useless to me). I prefer to wait for the FP team to finish the development on this functionality.

Brigitte

P.S. I like your avatar photo...  was it taken in Paris?  ;o)

June 02, 2011 06:15
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Dan Marsh

Yup, Notre Dame in the background :)

June 03, 2011 19:22
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Nilson Menezes

Hi everybody,

I have found one inconsistency in this article http://www.fotopedia.com/wiki/Oct%C3%A1vio_Frias_de_Oliveira_Bridge.

The most voted photo is presented twice. This photo here http://www.fotopedia.com/wiki/Oct%C3%A1vio_Frias_de_Oliveira_Bridge... has been taken from flickr, the other one (larger) it was uploaded by the author himself (http://www.fotopedia.com/wiki/Oct%C3%A1vio_Frias_de_Oliveira_Bridge... ).

The problem is that the first one is the most voted photo (http://www.fotopedia.com/wiki/S%C3%A3o_Paulo#!/items/flickr-3192059946)  in São Paulo's article and therefore it is difficult to exclude from Fotopedia.

I don't know what it can be done, but I think that the larger photo (uploaded after) should be flagged, but is not fair with the people who has voted on it.

Regards,

Nilson

November 06, 2011 20:11
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Thomas Schaffner

That must be a big lot of work...

Will there be links between the different versions of FP?

For exemple, I found an article in french that doesn't exist in the english wiki version: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%A2teau_d%27eau_d%27H%C3%A9rouvil..., I understand it will be possible to upload a picture of it on a french version of FP, but will the FP users see it anyway in the standard FP?

well keep up the work, you're doing great,

Regards

ToM

November 07, 2011 08:51
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Damien Roué
Fotopedia

@Nilson: thanks for warning us. We removed this photo from the article Octávio Frias de Oliveira Bridge. The photo is still in the Sao Paulo article because there is no duplicate in this article.

November 07, 2011 11:45
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John Herlo

I hope you can help me with this;

I am trying to post some pictures of St. Augustine Florida (city)

However it does not show up in the list offered (it shows ie St. Augustine Beach-not the same).

I did a search by Wikipedia link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Augustine,_Florida

Again, nothing comes up so I cannot create an article. Can someone explain why.  Or maybe just create the article and I'll be able to post pictures.

June 30, 2012 13:02
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Damien Roué
Fotopedia

@John: here is the article: http://www.fotopedia.com/wiki/St__Augustine,_Florida

Tip: if you can't find the article in our search engine, use Wikipedia link and replace en.wikipedia.org by fotopedia.com.

Thanks

July 02, 2012 12:10