Nilson Menezes
posted this on July 27, 2011 21:09
Actually I am browsing over Fotopedia posted photos and I could see plenty of photos that are irrelevant regarding to Wikipedia's associated article.
I give some examples:
Me and others can use this article to sign other pages where misplaced photos are recurrent.
Comments
Hi Nilson,
Thanks for addressing this topic here.
Photos reported with flags have been removed. Please keep using the flag tool to point out irrelevant photos in the Encyclopedia. You can designate articles with irrelevancy here, but you need to flag specific photos as you might have better knowledge of what is right and what is not on specific topic.
Agus is asking more infos about relevancy in the vintage car article here, maybe you can explain him why his photos were flagged. . I misread. In fact he thanks the flagger for correcting him ;)
Thanks,
Damien
Also, I am seeing more replica vintage/classic cars around - not just cheap kit cars, but expensive replicas which are hard to tell apart from the originals, especially in a photo. Of course they are not vintage cars, if they are reproductions.
Hi Fotopedia Folks,
As a follow-on to Nilson's comments I keep experiencing the reverse. I have had several photos flagged because they were not specific enough. I recently received 2 flagged photos of weeds that were in the Weed article and shots of Bavarian onion-domed churches in the Bavaria article. I would understand getting the notifications if the weed photos were in the Church article but I believe we may be getting carried away with some of flagging. Just because it's an option we shouldn't be searching the articles to find photos that permits us to press the button.
Anyway, keep up the good work, it's a good website,
Burch
Another aspect is some photos that populated generic pages (continent pages for example) should be for me much more specific; The case of the following photo http://www.fotopedia.com/wiki/Europe/items/_ZCIMaAvDZM-NekT6ne2WFE is typical.
My opinion is that photo is mostly good for spiral, stairway or Greenwich pages, instead of Europe page; This page should only have landmarks that is seen as European by everybody.
Hello Burch,
In the case that you describe the flag asks you to nominate your photo of Bavaria in the specific town. "Bavaria is a state, with an area of 70,548 square kilometres, it is the largest German state by area..." You should nominate your photo in the town's article where your photo was taken. Fotopedia is an encyclopedia so the goal is to document articles as far as possible.
To help you to find the right article, here is a list of districts of Bavaria, once you find the relevant district, you can find the relevant town or municipality inside the district's article. For example in Altötting there are 4 towns and 20 municipalities. And even better, in the town's article you could find a more relevant article than the town, for example in Burghausen I can see that there is an article for the Burghausen Castle (this one).
With this last example the right way to help to build the encyclopedia is to nominate first your picture in Burghausen Castle, then in Burghausen, Altötting, Upper Bavaria and Bavaria.
Best regards
Hello Nilson,
You are right, this photo is not the best illustration for "Europe", however it is relevant, not the most relevant… but it's correct. I'm sure the community will not vote for this photo as far as for a photo of the Pantheon of Rome, so it's not really a problem. Nevertheless the best article for this photo is Queen's House, we can find this information in the title of the photo.
I guess novices don't read all Fotopedia guidelines and helps before their first nomination. It's here that experienced users (like you) should to come into play to show the example by nominating undocumented photos in the most suitable article (if you can find it). Once photographers see that their photos can have more visibility when they are in a specific article, there are many chance that they begin to nominate usefully.
I use this post to thank you for your help to build the encyclopedia Nilson, Fotopedia needs many people like you ;-)
Raphie,
Thanks for the feedback. I am aware of the size of Bavaria, it's my home.
I don't want to be seen as the disgruntled member but I believe we're letting the flags get out of hand. Why is there an album entitled Bavaria unless we're going to place a photo of a map of Bayern in it. What about the Album Germany...what goes in it? Unless we begin using specific addresses of our shots we run the risk of it not being specific enough to meet the criteria of the album.
As I'm composing this there are photos in the Album "Central Europe"...of a castle that could be anywhere, a photo of a mountain in "Tanzania"...why not in a "Mountain" album, and some young men playing football in the "Cuba" album. See where I'm going with my frustration??!!
Anyway, for myself I believe I'll be limiting my submissions and spend my time enjoying other's photos....without looking for a reason to flag them.
Burch
Hello Raphie, hi everybody
Thanks for your very kind words, Raphie. I try to improve myself everyday and do my best (as much as my free time allows me to do).
Today, I have posted a new thread in general discussion forum about the creation of Fotopedia links in Wikipedia articles. It can be seen here http://help.fotopedia.com/entries/20376993-creating-fotopedia-s-pag...
Regards,
Nilson
Hi everybody,
I'm backing again about misplaced photos and the relevancy with the subject.
Take for example the page related to the month of October (http://www.fotopedia.com/wiki/October). There are there excellent photographies around Autumn's scenes, vineyards, seasons fruits, and some of them very well voted.
I am perhaps a puristic gay, but for me that's only a northern hemisphere centered vision, and it not representative for October month inside of a Encyclopedia having a motto "Photography for Humanity". All photos views autumnal views, vineyards, and other particularities of the Northern hemisphere in October is for me to be banned from the page.
I can try a test: to publish in this page a beautiful spring view of a photography taken in the Southern hemisphere and see how the members will react...
Nowadays, that we can vote about the relevancy of a photo with the subject of the page, this should be used more and more for all members to "clear" many pages.
How do you think about it? Please give us your opinion.
Regards,
Nilson
My test is running. See this photo http://www.fotopedia.com/wiki/October#!/items/flickr-5082871924
The same "problem"it can be found in the December's page. Look this photo http://www.fotopedia.com/wiki/December#!/items/nwoehnl-himjjywA3Zw. It is a very good winter vision, but it is NOT an universal vision of the moth of December. I'll do again my test posting a beautiful summer photo in the page and wait the reaction.
BTW, my test in October's page has had a positive vote, am I wrong? or, it is someone from southern hemisphere that it has voted positively... Wait and see.
Browsing over Fotopedia, and catching misplaced photo, I have found in the page http://www.fotopedia.com/wiki/Cocoa_bean a collection of photos that are not in accordance with text. Cocoa beans are only the dried seeds and not the fruits. I have voted down (for relevancy) all photos that shown only the fruits, and I think they can be flagged as not relevant.
That's a recurrent problem with Fotopedia, many photos posted do not follow strictly the contents of the text, I suppose that most of people didn't read the wikipedia's text before posting a photo.
In Fotopedia we have plenty of pages named as "Architecture in <country name> ". For me people has been in mind that these pages are to post representative architecture styles of such countries.
For example, see this photo here http://www.fotopedia.com/wiki/Architecture_of_Thailand#!/items/Jhw6..., it is a very well made photography, but it is irrelevant for a page named Architecture of Thailand , I have voted down this photo and have flagged it as irrelevant. It always the same thing people doesn't read the text before posting.
Hi everybody,
Always the same. The misplaced photos take an important place in the Fotopedia's collections. Take for example this photo: http://www.fotopedia.com/wiki/India#!/items/flickr-82002908.
For you, is it representative of India? For me it is not, I have voted down and asked to be flagged because it is not enough to take a photo in India to place it in India's page, even it is a very well made photo. I found in this page plenty of others examples, and I cannot vote down for every one (my reputation is suffering...).
I don't want to say that all photos in the album should be taken from the Taj Mahal, but India is a rich country for photographers to present a sunset photo as example, or a photo like this http://www.fotopedia.com/wiki/India#!/items/stuckincustoms-ff78215f... that for me it NOT representative of the page despite of 46 votes (!) and more is an HDR processed. Even this beautiful Lafforgues' photo http://www.fotopedia.com/wiki/India#!/items/flickr-2304046329 is not appropriate for the page.
People when vote should always make oneself the question: is this photo representative of this page? Have this photo any element associated with the subject of the page? It is not easy to vote.
The example with India's page is repeated with others country's pages.
Hi everyone,
first of all sorry for my english.
I have a similar question: I've read somewhere that in the "Twilight" article there should be only photos of twilight, and not photos of sunset. But there are many pics of sunset....
So, is it right to flag sunset photos in this article?
thank you
Ale
Hi everybody,
I' m backing again about this subject.
Lastly, I have seen lot of photos on Fotopedia referenced about well-known geographical places what despite they are surely been taken in these places do not give to the observer a the feeling that a photo made from these places.
Some examples taken from Europe's page:
Totally agree with you Nilson on that point.
I agree with Nilson too.
Personally, I don't like too generic articles like "city" or "tree" and so on...
And I find some articles really absurd. But they are in wikipedia...for example "list of animals by number of neurons".
I see a lot of photos that sometimes are put in too many articles, but that's it, and each of us has his own way to nominate pictures in articles.
Hi everybody,
I'm still tracking misplaced photos.
I've found a series of photos from Sergio Veludo (great photographer!) placed in "Americas" article (like this http://www.fotopedia.com/wiki/Americas#!/items/c9o5i05059t3t-EVfrXl...) that in my opinion are misplaced.
They are the great photos taken in the Easter Island but I'm not sure that despite this is a Chilean island, Easter Island is not located in South America, it's a Polynesian island. French Guyana is not in Europe...
Regards,
Nilson
Hi everybody,
More and more I see in the photos (most of time beautiful photos) declined over several different articles. I'm not against this practice, my concern is that some photos are so particular about a subject that they cannot be placed in a general article.
I give you an example: one takes a photo from a boat when I see only the boat and water around, this photo is perfect for the Fishing Vessel article, but the problem is that the author has posted the same photo in the article about a city or even a region of a country where the photo has be taken. How to prevent this kind of abuse?
Of course, we can advise to flag this photo as unappropriated. In my opinion, I am not sure that it could be a good answer, something quicker should be introduced in the interface to warn the moderators about these abuses.
Regards,
Nilson
Hi everybody,
Some times ago I have nominated this photo http://www.fotopedia.com/wiki/Alien_language#!/items/flickr-4816464007 when I have created the page about Alien languages.
For me the photo is technical very good and it deserves a better voting than minus 6! I remind you that it is the only photo on this page...
I can imagine that the people has voted negatively on this photo never have seen the TV cult series Startrek, and know nothing about the Klingon's language.
If anybody has a better photo to illustrate an abscond (and serious) subject like Alien language, please nominated it, because I will remove this photo soon and the page will vanish in Fotopedia.
I'll try my chance with the same photo in the Klingon language page that it doesn't exists in Fotopedia yet.
I don't know about this alien language. Strictly seen this article cannot be documented because humanity never found anything like an alien language. This is more like 'human fantasy about how an alien language could look like.
About misplaced photo's: One of the top photo's in the article 'List of World Heritage Sites in Europe' is this one: http://www.fotopedia.com/wiki/List_of_World_Heritage_Sites_in_Europ.... A great photo, but Cappadocia is in the Asian part of Turkey. I flagged it a couple of times, but it's still there, and I guess I know why. The wikipedia list summons all the sites in every European country, and also lists all the sites in Turkey. And because it is in the wikipedia article it can be nominated.
I voted it down on relevancy but I know it's going to cost me points because it's a great photo and it will continue to gather votes.
The photo is already listed in lots of articles, like: