I agree with Maarten.  It will be very difficult to work to this new system.

Regards

This site is not a competition. Just post high quality photos, give your votes to photos you appreciate... and enjoy!

The reputation value is not a scoring system for Fotopedia members, but it's just meant to allow active members to have more privileges than those who only use the site occasionally.

Just my two cents. :o)

Hi Brigitte,

This is exactly what I mean. Making good photos will be rewarded with extra privileges.  So you need the points form your photos. When you add a lot of photos on one day. Those photos will be voted for in a couple of days. It is easy to get 100+ points.  You will only get 100 and subsequently it will take longer before you will gain the extra privileges.

Regards,

" You will only get 100 and subsequently it will take longer before you will gain the extra privileges."

So what? Why the rush?
Personally I find it difficult to post more than 5 quality photos per day, so this is not an issue for me!   :o)

Totally agree with Maarten. Brigitte , if you only post 5 photos a day this is obviously not an issue for you. I have just returned from a 2 month trip to the UK, Turkey and Cyprus and have a lot of photos I would love to upload and naturally want to be rewarded 

Well I guess that's another difference: I post photos because I'm just happy to share, not because I'm looking for rewards!  ;o)

It seems you miss the point each time - both those made by Maarten and myself.

regards

Hello,

Apologies if I have misunderstood but are we talking about 100 points a day or 100 photos a day?  I believe that it is possible to get 100 points just by uploading 5-10 photos in a day if 1) they recieve plenty of points, 2) other pictures previously uploaded also get new points, and 3) if successfully voted on other people's images.  I have certainly received more than 100 points on some days but not uploaded anything like a 100 pictures. 

Again really sorry if I am misunderstanding but I am fairly new to fotopedia and still getting used to it.

Regards, Ann

ps. Sorry just need to add that 5 photos coud be uploaded to several articles so that can add up the points as well

Hi everybody,

I'm new around here, so first I would like to congratulate the Fotopedia team for their work and specially all the people that contribute with their wonderful pictures to built this amazing site.

I carefully read all the above comments about this new reputation system and I think everybody has a point.

It is obviously legitimate that people expect to be rewarded for the quality of their work by granting more privileges, although this is not a competition. No doubt that the pleasure of sharing our own vision thru our pictures, should be our ultimate purpose in the scope of this site.

While I understand that this new reputation system aims to improve the quality of the publish images, I really “fear” that will make less people to vote because of a possible conflict between points you can win by voting in others images  that then will not permit that you grab the points of your own images.  I hope I made it clear.

Anyhow, as once said a great photographer "photography is never what it seems". I truly believe that a picture tells us much more about the photographer than about what itself represents. That's why Fotopedia is a great site. We are “knowing” each other thru the images we choose to share,  that are somehow meaningful and important to us, in so many diferent ways.

This is for me, the most relevant concept in this kind of  sites.

Regards

I think, even with a cap of 100 points per day, it should not take so long to gain more privileges.

If you want to upload 1000 photos from your most recent trip, a good way to do that is to upload them all to flickr, i.e. using it as a cloud service to store your photos.  You can then use the tools here, to transfer the best ones to fotopedia.

If someone takes a interest in one of your photos, they can always click through to flickr, to view the rest.

@Dan : that's exactly what I do!  :o)

There is one thing nobody dares to mention so I'll do it: off course fotopedia is also a competition. The reputation system is a big motivation for most photographers to participate. It is what makes people check out fotopedia a couple of times a day. This is how humans work.

There is another thing I noticed: the photo's that are the best ones in your one opinion are not always the photo's that score points. And sometimes you earn a lot of credits for the ones you never thought of as being any special. This makes me upload more possible candidates in articles.

Sure ! You are right. I completly agree with you Jos . 

Looking around in the forum I have started one of the most active recent discussions.

When fotopedia started with the score I had nearly 5000 point. After the recalculation a few weeks later I dropped to about 2100 points.  Subsequently I have posted a lot of photos in the past weeks. I have seen that I have reached the 100 max on several occasions. So for a active member of this community the 100 point limit is in relatively easy reach.

Also I have the idea that the rule is working correctly. The algorithm stops as soon as I have reached 100. I does't look at a 24 hour period. Subsequently negative points are deducted, but positive point are not added.

I agree with Jos and with Jose and  I would suggest the rule of 100 max per day is skipped.  

I agree with Jos, Jose and Maarten.

What is the point of gaining an extra privilege (e.g. in my case the possibility to add 100 photos per day after reaching 10k) when it is clear that if I add 100 photos, most of them will score zero points because of the 100 maximum?

Also, it means that the "best current members" which are found on the community page is a worthless statement. The list will hardly change at all as everyone is limited to 100 points.

I find this rule extremely discouraging. 

I think another problem with the 100 max is that once 100 points is reached, you can't get more, but your points can be deducted. So it really boils down to luck. Say you hit the 100 point max early in the day. In between, you don't get any additional points cos you are maxed out. Then towards the end, someone comes along and vote you down. You end the day with less than 100 points. I do not agree with the 100 point max approach. But if it were to be implemented with no recourse, then may I suggest the 100 points be considered as point total for the day, with the down votes offset by the non recognized points gained. Hopefully something can be done.

I agree with Moonie's World ! And it's very easy to implement !

Today, I loose 33 points without any vote down ! No explanation.
And more, for me, today, 56 nominated photos without any points ! I am desperate by the rating system!

Eric

I completly agree with Moonie's World and with Eric.

I think is time for us to have some feedback from the Fotopedia Team, don't you?

Regards

You are right José !

This morning 63 photos without any points !

Hey Eric, if it makes you feel any better, yesterday, I received 49 points in the morning, but the system kinda screwed up on me and recorded me having reached 100 maximum points instead. I thus lost out 13 photos, no where near yours, but here comes the slap across the face. Wait for it................

By mid day, someone came along and decided to vote me down bad, together with several flagged removals. Damage? - 68. I actually ended up negative. 

Fortunately by night, some kind soul came along and gave me some cookie points. Thereby salvaging the day a bit.

The trials and tribulations of a Fotopedian? :-)

I want to believe points do not matter. But for me, it is the most objective way to receive feedback for my photos since no one seems to be commenting on them. And so, yes, I WANT MY POINTS! :-D

Hi,

Same thing happened to me yesterday with loads of negative points and flagged removals .  Also my reputation stream tells me that I got plenty of points for some pictures but the pictures still say +1.  I have given up, at least temporarily being active until resolved or I understand what I am doing wrong! 

After one week of silence and no reaction from the team I was happy to see the discuss was revitalised by Moonie's World. I think we are all waiting for a reply, and more, for action, for a set of honest and consequent rules. Hello there, is anybody in the team reading this?

Something else: last week I was rewarded because some pictures were featured in articles. Some of these pictures didn't receive any votes yet. Another pic with six points became unfeatured in an article. I wrote the team and received the answer that it is the editor who decides which pictures are featured in an article. This was new to me, I remember reading something about receiving 5 points to become featured. The green color suggests this too.

I started wondering again about the community aspect: you are allowed to vote but in the end the votes can be neglected.

Hi Damien, thanks for the updates. Have sent you an email on this issue prior. Looking forward to other means of feedback beyond points, which might actually be more useful.

The issue about 100 points max per day is however not specifically addressed. Whilst I understand the rationale behind needing a cap per day, perhaps a more equitable measure is preferred. I agree that having a cap prevents points deflation and too wide a gap between the highest and lowest members. This can lead to super god like members, making it impossible for new comers to aspire to catch up. We should be recognizing good photos and giving due recognition to good photographers regardless of his/her length with Fotopedia. This should however not come as a disincentive for those who contribute regularly and have reached a certain level. I believe a compromise can be reached with inputs with members across board. I would suggest scrapping the 100 points/day rule. Instead, put in place a factor that would lower the total score earned by the highest members whilst leaving the others alone. The higher up you go, the greater the expectations on one. In addition to all the perks that comes along, it makes it asymmetrically easier for one to gain more points. So, say for members with score ranging from 1000-5000, its daily score is multiplied by 0.9, 5000-10000 by 0.8, so on and so forth. I believe all working individuals should be familiar with this concept, i.e, the dreaded Income Tax. :-)

Any thoughts?

Why not Mooni's World, it could be an idea.

Too me, the first thing to do first (before discuting how to improve the repution system) is to respect the 100 points a day even if, for example, the 3 last (or more) votes of the end of the day are negative.

I give you an example of what happened to me one day :

- I reached 100 points

- many people continued to vote for my pictures (until 60 pictures in the day) but, my repution stayed at 100 points

- at the end of the day, some people voted done on some of my pictures or some pictures I voted up are voted done (and a lot of time remove, I don't know why for example, one day, I voted up for a really beautiful picture with at last 20 points, the day after the picture was voted down and remove without any reason then I lost 5 points).

- so at the end of the day, my reputation grows only for 85 points (example) even if 60 or more of my pictures were voted up during the day ...

What I proprose is very easy :

During the day, you gain points until you reach 100. After that, the daily counter continue to up or down but your global reputation score don't move unless you go down below 100 points. Here's an example :

- Global reputation score : 1200

- Daily score reachs : 100

- Global reputation score is now 1300

- Someone votes on one of your picture +4

- your Global reputation score stays at 1300 and your daily counter is now 104

- someone votes down one of your picture -2

- the global reputation stays at 1300 and your daily counter is now 102

- if someone votes another time one of your picture -4, the daily counter is now 98 and your global reputation is now 1298

I think it's more fair ?

Eric

(sorry if my message is confusing and my english not very good)

Hi Jos,

I think the day starts at 8 am (gmt), 9am in Western Europe, and ends the day after at 7.59 am

http://help.fotopedia.com/entries/20442447-reputation-system   "You can earn a maximum of 100 reputation points per day. Don't worry, because some actions bring you points on following days (like nominating a photo)."Why write this way, if the points are not returned to the users to follow? What are the actions to take for points to come back?

I have posted a lot of photos so far this year.  On many occasions I was far above the 100 max points per day.  Then a few days nothing (some points up) an admin start to remove pictures, although these pictures where rewarded points by the community.  It is impossible for me to determine when an admin start to scrutinize my photo's, so on days like these I tend to loose points. There is no balancing with the not rewarded points on earlier days. It must have cost me at least 200 points.

In my opinion Fotopedia should pride itself for high quality photos. We have a reputation system implemented that should reflect this. In this way the reputation system doesn't do just to the ones who use the possibilities that reflect their score (e.g. add 50 photos per day) and subsequently don't get all the positive (and negative) points that belong to these photos.

Although in this new system tends we tend to not score negatively because it cost points. I have the impression we flag more compared to score negatively. Flagging is ' free' .

In my opinion we should get rid of the 100 max points per day asap and recalculate.

Giving  a negative score should not have consequences for your score. But should be limited to a max per day depending on the total reputation. 

Positive scoring on other pictures is Ok. But what happens. If I see a photo posted by a high scoring member I tend to score his/her photos positively as soon as possible as it is likely the photos score will double. 

Overall we really should rethink the scoring methods.

Maarten Hoek